Due to a last minute scheduling of a match between LMS and RLM, there’s a cast tonight at 21:15CEST. Also…default dates on a friday, great idea or greatest idea?
You can tune to VanillaTV where Haydn and Skully will commentate while Blackout Gaming’s Jon will handle the camerawork.
Revoluzion la metagame Exon, Flippy, quad, Tek, ilike2spin, Haunter
Last Man Standing msh, Ordinator, Forsak3n, sickless, reko, Whiteglow
- Friday May 24th
- 21:15 cest
- 15:15 edt (na)
- 05:15 est (aus)
Who will win this match?
- Revoluzion la metagame (71%, 10 Votes)
- Last Man Standing (29%, 4 Votes)
Total Voters: 14
to the ETF2L forums, the Australians/New Zealanders are coming to LAN. And similarly to our friends from America and Scandinavia, they need your help! Insomnia 49 is set to be the biggest LAN ever; with only 800 places left, the event is going to be packed full of people from from all different games and all different nationalities. This exciting announcement has just added an even greater depth to the competition for Team Fortress 2 in Telford this Summer. If we can raise the $5000 target required, it will truly be an international competition to see who is the best TF2 nation in the world.Announced mere minutes ago
Of course, if you donate there will be some reward: be it a Crack Clan mug, a signed scattergun from bybben or a mentoring session with one of HRG, all the teams going to efforts to raise funds for LAN want to motivate you to part with your hard-earned cash. This fundraiser is no different; depending on how much you donate, you will qualify for various perks and rewards courtesy of the Aus/NZ LAN squad (taken from the fundraising page):
Last season, Epsilon eSports annihilated broder with ease during their main season game, before the titans from the North brought it back in the Grand Final to claim a first for any team since August 2012; an official map from Epsilon. Tonight Zebbosai and his fellow teammates take on the reigning champions once more on Snakewater and Granary – could the outcome be different this time round?
Broder Bybben, Tonppa, Ryb, Zebbosai, Jukebox, Mirelin
Epsilon eSports Numlocked, Gear, Mike, KnoXx, Schocky, basH
- Thursday May 23rd
- 21:15 cest
- 15:15 edt (na)
- 05:15 est (aus)
Who will win this match?
- Epsilon eSports (56%, 20 Votes)
- Broder (44%, 16 Votes)
Total Voters: 36
Don’t forget to send your submissions for the next edition here!
Yesterday was a highly anticipated match between Crack Clan and Vinland. Both casting stations, VanillaTV & TF.TV organised quite a bit to deliver this premiership game. For those not in the loop of what happened last night, the game came to an abrupt end, after only 4 rounds of the entire match being played, due to a dispute between the veteran Darn and ipz / Crack Clan, over allowing the FOV (field of view) extended from the maximum default. There was no obligation for Crack Clan in accordance with ETF2L rules to allow this feature. While it was not defined in ETF2L’s rule page, it was mentioned in one of their news post (27th of April 2013) as an update with the following:
“Using a server that allows higher FOV values is allowed if, and only if both teams agree. The hosting team must inform the visiting team about the increased FOV before the match starts.”
To be fair it’s clear as night and day, it should be agreed before hand & agreed by both teams into using it. Clearly it wasn’t, so it was decided in the match. Could this have been avoided before the match? Looking at irc, one of the leaders from Vinland, Rake, stated:
[Rake:] emb, imho it either has to be straight out banned or allowed
[Rake:] but this compromise just means that people cant actually use it
I personally agree with things being dealt by the league more so than the players, as it will cause delays and problems in the long run if dealt by the teams. For example as we saw last night, seems no one thought of asking the other team if they’re okay with using an extended fov a bit more in advance.
Similarly ETF2L have the same rule for mercs, must be agreed with the opposition and preferably stated on the match page, so that admins don’t apply a penalty. However with so many rules in the league one can only sympathesize with teams not knowing them all 100%, so the best solution would surely be making a cut off point for specific rules. The FOV setting being clearly one of those, however not all rules should have a clear cut decision.
So reading up on the ETF2L forums about this, obviously someone had to vent their frustration and disgust at this whole matter. The thread can be found here. Darn himself has made his own comment about his actions stating:
Dont blame the team. I did say them to get a merc or something. I have no interest to play without the fov anymore, you can talk all you want about being ‘professional’ and what not in this very ‘professional’ game. For me, to be able to play proper and have _fun_ with the game I need the higher fov. This season, these points mean very little to me if I have to grind thru the games. Saying that if the rest of the teams dont want me to use the fov im done. Sorry for all the people who tuned in to see a game.
While I can understand his point, in that he’s been there and done that a million times in TF2, along with achieved so much in his previous years with 4kings/Dignitas, coming back to the game for darn has been a ballache and very difficult for him to reignite that initial passion and flare in Team Fortress 2. Having said that, TF2 has moved a long way from those days and is a different scene and how certain things work is nothing like it used to be, so one has to accept and continue or leave peacefully, without ruining the fun for those joining the game or are in progress of learning/moving up the skill ranks.
Our intrepid reporter Arie had a chat with a member of both teams, first up Ipz, from Crack Clan:
VanillaTF2: The day after, are you surprised about the reactions? Especially people defending Darn?
Ipz: aslong as the right people get my point, i cant talk sense into everyone, if i try i end up really disappointed. In the end we did it cause we thought they might take rounds of us
VanillaTF2: can we quote you on that?
Ipz: lol ye they took rounds of epsi and of bff
VanillaTF2: If you’re not worried about maps, but rounds, why bother?
Ipz: numlocked talked to me on his stream the night before saying that they could suprise us, so im not giving out any advantages, which a higher fov is / to my enemy if my team cant utilize on it cause they arent used to it, hence would not increase their fov. I just dont want to drop rounds against anyone, the 2 rounds that we lost vs bff each map hurt already tbf
we want to lose rounds when it comes to broder and epsi, but not before
VanillaTF2: People might consider you default hunters for such behaviour.
Ipz: How could people consider that default hunting? I dont think there is a single person out there, even the onces that know rauli, that predicted him to ragequit. This guy comes to our server, being unbelievably disrespectful before even a single word is exchanged in English. The first sentence in finish calling us all kids and since james is gone this team is full of shit, then he wants to force me to disadvantage myself for him? We just got a bunch of racial slurs and some finnish bullshit that noone understands, but still people go on forums claiming we baited him?
VanillaTF2: Do you feel ETF2L should make a statement/rule to prevent events like last night?
Ipz: I don´t really care for now how ETF2L is gonna handle the fov case in the future and how they will punish the ragequit. All i care about at the moment is that Darn is getting called out for beeing a racist fuck
VanillaTF2: You’re quite pissed about it still
Ipz: ofc i am, we are working quite hard without any financial benefit for some month to push the quality of tf2 in Europe abit so everytime this stuff happens im super pissed about it cause it throws me back another 3 months.
We also talked to Rake of Vinland:
VanillaTF2.org: Hey Rake, is Vinland going to keep playing, and if so, how will you deal with opponents not allowing wider fov?
Rake: Well we hope to keep on playing, however after last nights “match” it’s obvious that not a single team is going to allow a higher FoV anymore, and as such we’re looking into our options.
VanillaTF2: Ipz went on record to say, more or less: “We didn’t want to lose rounds to this team, the dropped rounds against bff already hurt. numlocked warned us beforehand we might get surprised, so we didn’t want to give them any advantage”
Rake: Well well
VanillaTF2: Are you surprised cc turned out to be a little bit afraid of you guys, even if it was just a fear of losing rounds, not maps?
Rake: I hardly see it as a reason to deny higher FoV. I wasn’t expecting them or broder to do it, more so the teams that we’re actually competing with (solar, rlm, lms). And we’ve been having fairly good results at fairly random intervals, I guess they assumed we might pull something out of the hat last night.
However it would’ve been a lot better, everything considered to just play with the higher FoV cap, especially after seeing Darn’s reaction, and noticing that he’s not even trying to play
So after all the preparations for a good TF2 cast: Scorescreens, relays, overlays, live stats, mumble comms, forum posts and reddit threads (and that once for VanillaTV and once for TF.tv) and hundreds of people watching on the streams, Vinland had to forfeit the match after less than 10 minutes when their star player Darn left the game after Crack Clan refused to change a server setting to allow a wider FOV.
Interview with Crack Clan after the match:
This setting is available through the TFTrue plugin and allows a higher FOV than the normal maximum of 90. The default setting of TFTrue is the same 90 degrees FOV. However, Darn likes to play with a FOV on 110, you can see that in our VOD of the Vinland vs Skidmark Central.
Now I’m a bit on the fence regarding the fairness of a wider FOV. Players have been using wider FOV for ages using custom resolutions, but Openplugin and TFTrue have made it less of a hassle and less of a pain on the eyes. Ultimately I think the advantage of seeing a wider battlefield is probably negated by the smaller players you have to shoot at.
Where does this leave team Vinland though? It’s a darn shame that a team that was off to such a good start might now fall apart over something totally unrelated to the normal struggles of a new premiership team (e.g. poor results or the team not getting along). Will this be the end of Vinland and the first drop of the season, or will they rebound in time for their upcoming matches against teams they have a chance of defeating, and will there be anyone left willing to cast those games?