With great power comes great responsibility.
You’ll probably recognize the mundane quote from the first Spider Man movie. It doesn’t exactly take a great mind to come up with such a word of wisdom. Nevertheless it perfectly describes a challenge for any institution of authority or influence. -Be it ETF2L or this very site.
Essentially, both our services are the products of passionate souls doing free work with the best of intentions. But yes, both of us have established a responsibility for fair treatment. And for this site, a dilemma shows it’s face when having to judge what to publish and what to censor.
My latest dilemma concerns both of the mentioned institutions. A player contacted me with frustrations of the ETF2L anti cheat team seemingly doing unfair treatment, supplied with a couple of examples. On one hand [as this site stands as an independent institution] we’re the last instance to be able to voice one’s opinion and share information. But on the other hand, some accusations (confirmed or unconfirmed) can be damaging and should be handled with care.
So in an effort to pretend to be a decent journalist (yesyes, laugh) , I contacted new head admin of ETF2L,
Racio to shed some light on the cases in question.
by
Torden
Boomeh
I’ll save the backstory behind his ETF2L ban. He was banned last November for the duration of 2 years. ETF2L later changed to ban policy to be one year. Boomeh was the only one [of those banned for 2 years] to get the sentence reduced to 1 year. Others who asked for the same got declined. Racio says:
I didn’t even know boomeh’s ban was changed. Boomeh will have to follow the same procedure as the rest though. I’ll probably change it back for the moment.
Update, In comments, Racio adds: The order of the chatlogs is a bit reversed. In the later one it is indicated that we will look at the (ban-time) situation sometime (hopefully soon). So obviously boomeh will have to wait for that.
Rumor claims boomeh to have been playing under a 2nd account with TwistedPlay, no doubt fuelled further by his appearance on i40 with the team. Maybe, But for the time being “innocent until proven otherwise” seems a pretty decent philosophy of life!
Cook
A couple of demoes submitted to the ETF2L showed the former div1 medic with undeniable speed increase on a public server. He never got a ban, which made people question why only “div6 players” were banned for seemingly the same evidence. Racio explains:
Well cook isn’t really the first. Nivzeh also got nearly banned due to a hex-edited demo. We found proof that it was edited eventually though. To the point though, it’s not really different from a div6 case. But that does not mean that we have to ban now that the head admin team has changed because of previous bans. The div6 cases will be solved soon. Won’t detail too much though.
The AC team have a policy of not detailing their methods for catching cheaters. You can of course debate why and if it is right or not. But, in reality this is how things are and how they will remain.
Surely, some of you will by now laugh at why something as “unimportant” and “uninteresting” just wasted some minutes of your life. – Reading this was optional, so the joke is on you.
But for some, these things have importance and I hope it answers some of your questions about ETF2L’s AC practice. Nothing will satisfy everyone and you will have the opportunity to voice your opinions in the comment section. I’d also like to thank the anonymous player for the information, and Racio for the responses.
On a side note, some people have voiced their frustrations of this site not allowing articles to be published without a moderator’s quality check. Well, consider what ramifications can come from publishing accusations, lies, or sensitive information…You don’t have to be an Einstein to see how damaging it can be. In the end, some form of power demands some sort of responsibility.
-Torden




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- # - nice! +4hmmm
Racio:
“I didn’t even know boomeh’s ban was changed. Boomeh will have to follow the same procedure as the rest though. I’ll probably change it back for the moment”
Why would Racio only probably change it back for the moment, lol? if its obvious he was treated differently and had his ban reduced while other players got stuck with 2 years seems rarther biased :).
All comes down to who you know i guess, especially for likes of cook :P
- # - nice! +5HI ME BOOMEH AND PLAY IN ETF2L SINCE JANUARY AND ADMIN NO SEE ME
It’s nice
After when gryzor owned the hole AC team some time ago who can rly trust them :D?
Interesting thou, can I have some information why boomeh was the only one getting a year off his bann and not the rest of the nabs who cant get as good as me without CHEATZ.
- # - nice! +7no
- # - nice! +3Was wondering who LCDTV was, and he was a soldier too! 1+1 = 2!
- # - nice! +0also nobody noticed that boomeh has incorrect steamid? :D
- # - nice! +1or someone just hiding his ass again?
- # - nice! +6what specifically was boomeh banned for originally anyway? you explained cooks ban but nothing about boomeh!
- # - nice! +0boomeh was catched by admin who found out his aequitas logs had been tampered and lines deleted from them
later(after esl ban) boomeh confessed he had been using 2d radar, tho nobody rly knows what and for how long he had been using “stuff”
so etf2l rly banned him for “confessing” of using cheats
sry for being cripple at this language, i should go to bed now
- # - nice! +3Valve anticheat should do the work instead of aequitas or some AC team.
- # - nice! +1VAC doing work
lol
- # - nice! +4ETF2L shit – double standards, 100% proof ban 1 year, there is no apparent evidence ban for 2 years… bravo!
- # - nice! +5Yeah cook should get banned, heard he even aimbotted as well
- # - nice! +5Actually AnimaL, no, boomeh was not catched by checking Aequitas logs, he was just automatically banned by Aequitas for using a cheat. Logs were checked afterwards as people were like “LOLOL AEQUITAS MADE A MISTAKE”.
Anyway, it’s quite funny that every time something happens nobody in the ETF2L staff seem to know what happened, like the site is changing stuff by itself or something :)
- # - nice! +0BTW from what I recall when I was admin, only the head admins have access to the page to add/remove bans and change the ban times.
- # - nice! +0LOL LOL I DIDn’T CHeAT.PEEPLE R JUST JELUS OF MY SKILLS.
- # - nice! +0its nice to see how much div1 players are protected by the head admins in etf2l, and i saw the demo of cook speedhacking + aimbotting and he still got no fucking ban ? so many players got banned from etf2l just for hacking on public … good move again by the admins from etf2l congrats … nice read torden keep up the good articels
- # - nice! +3Cook wasn’t speed hacking as such, it’s just a source mod exploit that can only be done on pub servers, sort of like the exploit you could do with a benchmark test which set your speed to your FPS – which Valve fixed the other day. It’s like banning people for hiding stickies in walls.
- # - nice! +6or rather, servers with source mod installed.
- # - nice! +1honeymustard you shouldn’t believe everything Cook says, because that was a lie.
- # - nice! +0So can I go speedhacking and aimbotting on some servers and claim it’s a sourcemod exploit?
- # - nice! +3@anakin, depends on division! ;P
- # - nice! +5i like the bit where you said claim, rofl
- # - nice! +2Once I built 30 sentries on a pub server, imma baddie
- # - nice! +6Not to censore.
- # - nice! +0epic comment from WAR
- # - nice! +0Did Boomeh cheat for the months he allegedly false account-ed?
- # - nice! +0Why was it 2 years in the first place?
Why did Quad (who still hacks) only get a 1 year ban for a multihack/triggerbot when Boomeh got 2 years for a 2D radar which he used in a different league?
What does keeping him banned for another year achieve? LAN Proven twice at i38 and i40, so it’s not as if he still cheats. Banning people is to keep cheaters out of the league so why extend a ban on a good player who doesn’t cheat?
As Animal said. Boomeh’s steamid is wrong. He couldent have changed it himself, so there must be a admin over.
Just sayin’
- # - nice! +4please someone gimme the innocent speedhack exploit that was fixed by last update :] otherwise, think how stupid u sound when u say things like “source engine exploit” when nobody has seen it in public forums or even youtube
as far as i know, last update fixed wh bug when alt tabbing while loading game, but nothing about non existent speedhack exploits
but go ahead and defend cook
- # - nice! +5Quad dosent hack and he have never hacked.
End of story!!
- # - nice! +1haters gunno hate
- # - nice! +0cook doesn’t need to be defended, he just needs people to not install sourcemod on their servers
- # - nice! +1orly? when whole pickup asked how he did it, he said “source engine exploit”
so what is it then?
- # - nice! +0you getting trolled?
- # - nice! +1i guess it is kind of a source engine exploit more than a sourcemod exploit really, but you can’t do it without sourcemod afaik soooo
- # - nice! +1The sourcemod speedhack bug doesn’t need sourcemod installed on the server :)
- # - nice! +1Not sure if it’s been patched or not.
Lol i am typing with an ice cream cone.
- # - nice! +4Why hasn’t anybody mentioned cookye yet?
COOKYE HAX.
/carry on.
- # - nice! +0I H4X
- # - nice! +0Cookye was at assembly,
- # - nice! +0Boomeh and traxantic were at i40,
What up now Gotfrag?
Sure, call that an exploit if you want, but you know, that “exploit”, can be used to get an Aimbot, Wallhack, Speedhack, ESP, and any other cheats you want. If cook doesn’t get banned, then all others people banned in ETF2L shouldn’t get banned as well, because they might have used that “exploit”, don’t you think?
- # - nice! +0“Why would Racio only probably change it back for the moment, lol?”
The order of the chatlogs is a bit reversed. In the later one it is indicated that we will look at the (ban-time) situation sometime (hopefully soon). So obviously boomeh will have to wait for that.
- # - nice! +0When I had my own public server, once I turned sv_cheats on and put addcond 5 and 11 on, creating a destructive and malicious combo of cheats.
And yet I’m free to roam on etf2l.
- # - nice! +3That quote doesn’t answer the question at all “will cook get banned, like all other div 6 players do”, “why start banning since new admins are in charge, we will be following the div 6 cases” ?????
- # - nice! +0cook has cool accent
- # - nice! +0/thread
anakin you have a pretty terrible grasp if the fundamentals of logic.
- # - nice! +1faggot*
- # - nice! +0of*
Just to fix some misconceptions here: Boomeh’s cheats were openly documented and confessed by the player himself. He got banned at a time 2 years was the standard ban policy, as is clearly documented in the ban overview etf2l.org/rules/bans/
For those still confused, please read the article properly.
“Why hasn’t anybody mentioned cookye yet?” This is an article that sheds some light on common criticism and conceptions towards ETF2L’s handling of (/suspected) cheaters. NOT speculating on who cheats. If you still wish to discuss it, I’d recommend gotfrag as a better suited place for that.
- # - nice! +0Anakin, we all know you so desperately want the glory for catching someone like cook, but as it is an “exploit” and technically not a hack, you cannot have him banned for simply finding it and testing it out on public servers. I would say there is a difference between people having used such exploits on publics and people having used them in 6v6 on vanilla servers.
- # - nice! +1As for how to deal with it, any future use of the exploit can be banned and whoever has been banned because of it can state their case to an admin if they feel unfairly treated.
[FB] The PRODUCT of a Cook: i aimbotted once, using only 1 command. i added bots to the server then i aimed at them, HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i thought this was relevant, ban please
- # - nice! +1hate on anakin more please
- # - nice! +1I’m disappointed that RaCio was very misleading in his comments above with regards to Boomeh’s ban. RaCio was very much involved in the conversations and decisions in the Admin channel at the time of Boomeh’s request, and made comments about it. It’s quite hard to magically forget about these things mate…
The reason the ban time was changed, was because the ETF2L policies had been changed from 2 year bans to 1 year bans. There was supposed to be a review on other bans too, but I guess that didn’t happen did it?
-18:05:27- (@AnroliF) boomeh is not alone on this case
-18:05:35- (@AnroliF) 2 year is really too much
-18:06:33- (@baerbel`) cheating is too much
-18:06:35- (@baerbel`) fml
-18:06:50- (@AnroliF) yep but some people understood this warning
-18:06:50- (@davee) lol
-18:06:50- (@D2M) how about a byte-style
-18:06:54- (@D2M) karaoke session
-18:06:55- (@davee) boomeh suddenly unbanned
-18:06:59- (@davee) D2M suddenly richer
-18:07:01- (@davee) WHATTTTTT
-18:11:22- (@RaCio) ah
-18:11:24- (@RaCio) lol
-18:11:30- (@RaCio) just something I was thinking of :D
-18:11:44- (@RaCio) we should look at ban times :p
-18:11:47- (@RaCio) make them the same
-18:11:53- (@RaCio) some ar perm atm
-18:11:57- (@RaCio) some are 2 years
-18:11:59- (@RaCio) some are 1
-18:12:02- (@RaCio) like lol
-18:12:03- (@RaCio) :D
-18:12:13- (@RaCio) should make them 3 seasons
-18:12:20- (@D2M) i think 1 year is fine for boomeh btw
-18:12:24- (@RaCio) so they dont end in a season
-18:12:25- (@RaCio) yeah
-18:12:26- (@D2M) he admitted it when he was caught
-18:12:34- (@D2M) he even apologised and wasn’t a dick
-18:16:04- (@RaCio) well there’s 3 point about ban times
-18:16:16- (@RaCio) – cheaters returning mid-season
-18:16:24- (@RaCio) – ban times are different atm
-18:16:27- (@D2M) yeah
-18:16:33- (@D2M) i think seasons works better
-18:16:34- (@RaCio) – possible change in times
-18:16:43- (@D2M) but it would have to change dynamically when a season ends
-18:16:45- (@RaCio) yeah, that solves things
Convo continues after that, my point is – he was well aware of what was happening and it’s disappointing to see him trying to wash his hands in the situation and claiming zero involvement. Don’t lie to people Edgar, you’ll get caught out and look like a retard.
- # - nice! +0illii, as it looks like you failed to read many of my comments, I’d say it again: cook may call that an “exploit”, but I guess you don’t understand what kind of “exploit” it is.
The thing he calls an exploit has been existing forever on the Source Engine, and has been known since early 2009 and there are a lot of cheaters using that. It works exactly the same way as a cheat, as he’s loading a 3rd party dll in the game/client (which in this case seem to be sourcemod, that he loads on his client) and modifying some of the sv_cheats cvars to cheat. As you may have found out with PREC, which use the same “exploit”, you can make your own server plugin but load it on the client. There are currently lot of similar “client” plugins that can be used to cheat. It doesn’t matter whether it’s sourcemod or not, it achieves the same thing: cheating.
As I said in my other post, you can make ANY cheat in a plugin that you load in your client.
As this is EXACTLY the same as using a cheat, you will NEVER be able to tell if a player has been using a plugin on his client or if he just injected it through the game with a .exe. In the end it makes NO difference as you loaded a 3rd party DLL in the game. What is just different is the way of injecting it in the game.
What’s funny is that quite a lot of people that have been banned for cheating in ETF2L have been doing the exact same thing: loading a plugin on their client to cheat.
what’s funny is how sad your life is
- # - nice! +5like, really, gut-bustingly, amazingly fucking funny.
- # - nice! +5D2M, quite surprising you post this. Well you might get banned for “Abuse of confidential information” now.
- # - nice! +0There’s nothing confidential in the text I posted :]
You’d do well to try and stop finding ways to swing a punch at ETF2L. You were kicked from the team for being fucking useless and no-one liking or trusting you. Continuing to do the same thing won’t help you in the future petal x
- # - nice! +5cmon guise…
- # - nice! +0www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJTBPd...
Hey Animal.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EKnuk...
And from the July 21st patch (wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Jul...):
“# Fixed a speed exploit related to benchmarks ”
Now please can you stfu.
- # - nice! +2The only problem honeymustard is that he was doing it not too long ago, in August, so that was already fixed.
- # - nice! +0Like Torden said, I still don’t ‘get’ people who rage about boomeh’s ban. This was like the ONLY easy, no bad blood, open-and-shut case in the history of TF2 cheating.
P.S – 2 years is a long fucking ban, but plenty of people
- # - nice! +1Anakin – I know, I’m not saying that’s the exploit that Cook used, but it’s similar (and the same concept – you wouldn’t ban someone for using the one I posted, so you shouldn’t ban Cook).
- # - nice! +2illii, there have been already people who got banned from the ETF2L for cheating on public servers. I don’t know cook, but the ETF2L might want to keep a consistent policy on the matter.
Also I don’t see why the “how” is relevent, cheating is cheating, regardless if it’s abusing a bug in the software or using a 3rd party software.
- # - nice! +0D2M, your logs are great, but they don’t prove any lying taking place.
Racio never said they weren’t reviewing ban times. What he claimed was that he didn’t know that someone actually carried out certain elements of what was discussed.
- # - nice! +0It certainly does Torden.
“I didn’t even know boomeh’s ban was changed. Boomeh will have to follow the same procedure as the rest though. I’ll probably change it back for the moment.”
Yes he did lie. He was very much involved in discussions with myself over Boomeh’s ban along with other players and knows damn well that the ban was changed after the decisions that we agreed on.
It can’t be put any simpler than that really x
- # - nice! +0No. read again.
- # - nice! +0So… all of cooks bumchums are gonna stick up for him, and everyone else who’s friends with every other hacker who got banned or who hates etf2l is going to try and get him banned.
This should be interesting.
- # - nice! +5This is stuff people like me get a one year ban placed on them.
- # - nice! +1Torden:
It’s a case of putting 2 and 2 together, Racio’s implication is that he didn’t know Boomeh’s ban had been shortened, and he didn’t know why it was (which clearly he did with those chatlogs). Surely recalling on that Racio would at least understand why his ban was at 1 year.
PS. 2 Years is too long. 3 Seasons is good.
- # - nice! +0That’s speculation. I’m more interested in facts. I wouldn’t know if he lied or not, but for the purpose of a constructive arguement, let’s deal with what is actually at hand.
- # - nice! +0I don’t even know Cook but it would be stupid to ban him for an exploit –
“Also I don’t see why the “how” is relevent, cheating is cheating, regardless if it’s abusing a bug in the software or using a 3rd party software.”
By this logic we should ban people who jump through the window on Badlands’ middle point.
- # - nice! +1Cool story Gryzor :)
As previously mentioned, there is nothing confidential in the text that I quoted. The text was specifically chosen for that purpose. It was shown to illustrate that RaCio was involved in the discussion of Boomeh’s ban and present at the time of our discussions.
If I was to go in-depth and release a chatlog of our discussions about his ban itself, which contained confidential information that I could have only obtained in a role as Administrator for an online gaming league, then yes – it would be similar to your retarded situation in that I had breached the rules I accepted when I was an Admin.
Thankfully I’m more considerate than you were in ensuring that anything I am priveliged to read or hear about whilst as an Admin, actually gets to stay with me. I will never look to harm the league I worked hard to help, I wish the same could have been said for you.
Enjoy your trolling/flaming xx
- # - nice! +0Just cos he is div1 doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be banned, tbh cook isn’t even really div1 so even more reason to not given special cirumstances. Basically just ban him if he cheats
- # - nice! +0I used the same exploit as Cook on a public server once when i was bored. Ban me. That exploit is so retarded its untrue. Its a source engine exploit, Sourcemod is just a convenient way to abuse it. More worryingly is the fact that if you were really smart and determined, you could probably get sv_pure to 0 for it. So really, its a non-issue. Theres virtually nothing that you could do with it that isn’t fantastically obvious.
- # - nice! +1Can we just ban him since he doesn’t even play in leagues anymore? Really this argument is retarded as the outcome has 0 impact on anyone. He won’t be punished for whatever he did either way.
Also he shouldn’t be since regardless of what he did, it was on a public server and there’s a very distinct difference between how people act there and in 6v6. Just cuase you like a few trollols doesn’t mean you want to unfairly effect competitive matches. Leave it to the pubs to ban him.
- # - nice! +0I once used an aimbot in peggle nights, true story
- # - nice! +02 years is too long a ban length especially considering the policy would be probably be more lenient if Stalin bought etf2l. 2 years effectively ends a players comp career because of the league monopoly etf2l has. A year gives them a chance to reflect on what they’ve done, regret it, and then reform.
As for boomeh, why be hating on him getting his ban length reduced. I agree that there should be a fixed penalty or say a year, or even 3 seasons. However boomeh firstly admitted what he had done, secondly he has made a positive contribution to the community over the length of his ban. What he has not done is been a complete faggot about getting banned (not to name names). I would go as far as too say maybe all hacking bans should be reviewed and set to a year regardless of circumstance, then banned players who positively contribute to the community could appeal to have their ban lengths fractionally reduced. Boomeh has remained active, polite and patient, played fantastically (and legally) at i40, and confessed and provided details of what he had done at the time (probably the reason his ban length was reviewed in the first place). If anything in my opinion he deserves a month knocked off his ban, not a year added on. I also think its extremely unfair and very unproffesional to change boomeh’s ban length once again. The main problems here seem to be inconsistant and flawed policy; messing with ban lengths that have already been reviewed just adds to the mess. Personally i’d knock a month of his ban just for messing the fuck with his head. As sad as it sounds, if you play a comp game 4 hours a day for a few years it becomes a significant part of your life. Admins should be considering things like that when they act like spastics and justify sleeping at night with, ‘its just a game’.
I’m not saying that i want to forgive all the low div russian scouts who spend their days triggerbotting in pcws, but i dont think they would regret it, and i dont think they would care to try and reduce it. When people say, why should a div6 player be treated differently to a div1 player? I dont think that they should, BUT i dont think a div 6 player would have enough at stake to care, likelyhood is that the players at the top will make an effort.
tl;dr
sort it the fuck out and get a fair and consistant system.
oh and about that cook shit, if its an exploit and hes fucking about a pub server then hes being a dick to the people on it, if you want to punish him then slap him on the wrist with a month ban, dont label him a hacker and then face smash him a years ban.
- # - nice! +6inb4 im dyslexic, tired and unknown
- # - nice! +0+99999
- # - nice! +0ArcY – some good comments, but it would’ve been helpful if you were more balanced in your viewpoints. It doesn’t read so well when you’re 100% “pro Boomeh”. I agree with much of what you said, though I think it would be possible to have achieved it with far fewer expletives.
2 years was an archaic ban term that we changed as soon as we were able to in ETF2L, making all cheating bans 1 year in length. It was a rule that was in place from previous management and one that we felt should be changed to make it more efficient. There were a number of reasons for the change, but let me tell you about one of the most important ones (to me anyway).
I disagree with your comments that 2 year bans will “end a gaming career”. Generally what you will find in gaming is that a 2 year ban will encourage someone to come back to the game under a new account, which causes additional work for the Admin team in detecting and re-banning them.
When you give a player a 1 year ban, they will usually sit it out and wait for their chance to come back to the game. Given that there are other European leagues available, you will often see that player go and play in another league whilst waiting for his ban to expire.
It was always very obvious to the ETF2L Admins that a consistent approach was necessary and I don’t feel too many issues were created where a decision was unfair. It’s a great shame that we never got around to sorting out some of the more in-depth changes to the Ban system before I quit.
It would be nice to see relevant changes carried out in the area of bans in the future, where we can hopefully see some progress made with regards to the fairness and length of the bans received by players. There should certainly be more than a 2-level process rated on the severity of bans for a start…
- # - nice! +2I didn’t write the post to be objective as you can tell. I see your point about the ban length and think maybe we are both right to degrees, and i think we agree on the point anyway.
- # - nice! +1ArcY has downs
- # - nice! +0If boomeh really is fake-nicking with a new steam account or whatever da fuck then why all the talk of reducing his ban ‘cos he’s a such a polite ickle sweetheart? The ban length may be retarded but circumventing it with a new account = moar bans for people who tried this in the past.
- # - nice! +7If he is found to be fake-nicking with another account, then I’m sure ETF2L will increase his ban length appropriately.
Feel free to show some conclusive evidence!
- # - nice! +0Hmm boomeh was playing from his main account with twisted play (as soldier) like a month ago. Not sure tho if i’rs the same guy.
- # - nice! +0He was yeah (assume for practicing for lan). But I doubt anyone can prove LCDTV was him.
- # - nice! +0d2m comment made me lol since clearly evidence has already been tampered and gone
- # - nice! +0all thats left is an account without real steamid that has been used in previous officials
no logs why steamid is changed right?
- # - nice! +0actually scratch that im retarded :D
- # - nice! +0“d2m comment made me lol since clearly evidence has already been tampered and gone”
Huh? How does my question clearly show that? lol.
I’m asking from a community perspective. I have no idea what “evidence” has or hasn’t been submitted. Remember that I’m no longer an Admin and couldn’t give a monkeys from that aspect :)
I just want to see people showing conclusive proof of something instead of accusing people because they *think* someone is cheating or breaking a rule.
Simples!
- # - nice! +0It’s funny because when I watched the latest meerkat advert I actually thought of AnimaL.
- # - nice! +6lol
- # - nice! +0rofl :D
- # - nice! +0What i dont get is why all the abuse on anakin? I dont know what happened between him and the etf2l admin team but from what i do know, he seems to always be wanting to help or go out his way to do some anti-cheat work that alot of other people really wouldn’t bother doing. If anything , surely he is helping the scene? But then again i dont know the full story so i wont carry on. But comments like #
DJC
August 31st, 2010 – 17:54
“what’s funny is how sad your life is
#
DJC
August 31st, 2010 – 17:54
like, really, gut-bustingly, amazingly fucking funny.”
^ those kind of comments are just retarded. It just comes across as DearJohnCarter trying his best to make a witty/funny personal insult on someone to try make his e-friends laugh with him and make him cool on the interwebs. Oh and they are also quite ironic. inb4 rej bandwagon.
The day has come. A terrible day:
I am agreeing with Swifty.
Swifty reading djcs posts clearly just makes you mad, stop doing it, you’ll be happier. He’s being a douche and needlessly insulting Anakin (who himself has a history of douchery hence the hate from others) we can all see that, stop giving him attention for it.
Also rej are as likely to troll the americunt as defend him etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9...
- # - nice! +0On topic, given etf2l has been burning through head and AC admins for the last year or so so inconsistency isn’t that surprising.
Never allow anything you aren’t comfortable to be published here Torden (and the other guys running this who are often forgotten) it’s your site. The buck stops with you and if the current moderation set-up is what it takes then it’s what it takes people can deal with it or publish stuff elsewhere.
- # - nice! +1D2M for headadmin!
- # - nice! +2I once cumwounded a pigeon.
- # - nice! +0free spicke plz
- # - nice! +1you self-admittedly know nothing about the story behind anakin, swifty, so what does your post really -do- besides give you the satisfaction of being able to go “heh. counter THAT one, john carter.” you’re posting for as self-serving a reason as you accuse me of doing so it’s pretty strange to critique me for it
- # - nice! +2dont mad
- # - nice! +1Internet comin’ in hot.
- # - nice! +1To elaborate on my last post and maybe make a better reply to yours: I was just asking a question as to why there is all the hate towards anakin, then i pointed out my view point as an outsider of the situation, then admitting i don’t know the “story behind anakin”. I mean, surely the first line of my post made quite clear the reason of its existence. My little addition towards the end is obviously what has made you quite mad though. I was just expressing what, from my standpoint(an outsider of the situation) you look like with your 2 posts. Think of it as constructive criticism, so you can avoid looking like a lonely american trying to look cool in the public eye, for future posts.
- # - nice! +1I await your next witty reply where you dig deep into my post and try to grasp at any holes you can pick from this post or previous. Also, img26.imageshack.us/img26/8976... .
SHOUTOUT TO MAH BOI, KAIDUS!
Actually lonely american was abit mean and i have no reason to think you are lonely. I apologise. (need edit button btw)
- # - nice! +1what is a dear john carter ? oh an american … says it all
time for changes in the AC team … backing up div1 players but insta banns for lower division players ? nice, very nice etf2l
- # - nice! +4Why not change at 1 year for the previous bans?
- # - nice! +3hhh – not sure if troll.
- # - nice! +0If we had an edit button this place would be so boring. All the hate lashings would get swiftly retracted (hohohoho I said swiftly when talking to swifty).
kaidus is black
- # - nice! +3kaidus is a black cum dumpster ))).
- # - nice! +0keep trollin’ yo o/m
“Actually lonely american was abit mean and i have no reason to think you are lonely. I apologise. ”
I think theres a lot of reasons to think this
- # - nice! +2lonely american is lonely
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