The whole is greater than the sum of its parts - Aristotle
Not to beat around the bush, today is the official birth of a collaborative project between TF2tv, VanillaTF2, and a prospected development of the old ETF2L radio – VanillaTV. I don’t have the habit of pulling Dr.Philian greek philosopher quotes outta my ass, but I can’t think of a better wording for the motivation our project. ETF2L radio had a strength in its quality control, and the share spectacle of any cast they did to prove it. TF2tv had a notorious chase for providing a quantity of match coverage to the masses, with consistency in streams and video on demand. With VanillaTV, we want to combine those strengths in one place, together with all the discussions and information surrounding our games. On a foundational level, the decision is a no brainer.
The hard decision, was done by
Byte (ETF2L radio),
Comedian (TF2tv), and their respective teams. The merger of the 3 services requires forsaking certain liberties and hours of former work hours for structure, for the sake of “the greater (longterm) good”. It’s a mature and noble decision, one deserving recognition.
The project won’t be a revolution, and there’s no intention of patting ourselves on the backs just yet. Like the birth of this very news site, it will be a continuous work in progress – iterative solutions, with hopes of as much help and contributions from anyone interested, as possible.
Keep reading for all the details! -
Torden
Mantra
When we sat down around the eTable at the start of our discussions and looked back at the past ventures of TF2TV and ETF2L.radio one thing became pretty obvious, the goals and objectives were never properly defined. We decided to come up with some rules, the VanillaTV raison d’etre if you prefer.
- VanillaTV’s focus will always be on quality over quantity
- VanillaTVs will focus exclusively on interesting, high level TF2 games
- Transparency of all finances derived from donations is guaranteed
- We’ll always endevour to act with the best interests of the community at heart
- VanillaTV will remain unaligned and neutral to league or eSports outfit
- VanillaTV will provide a free platform for budding casters to develop their shoutcasting skills
Structure
The VanillaTV stands on it’s own feet, acting on behalf of VanillaTF2′s ethos and purposes For the purpose of keeping things clear: They are not involved with administrating the News content, and for queries about making news, or who has capabilities of checking your post, look at the VanillaTF2 admin list. Onto the media group:
Byte – Manager, Main caster
Shox – Manager, Co caster
Comedian – Stream Director, Technical, Open Mic, Co caster
Seriouscat – Co caster, Technical, Open Mic
Torden – Head of VanillaTF2, Art director, Co caster
Greg – Co caster
Pyor – Co caster
Hys – Technical, Co caster
Shrike – Stream Director
Taoism – Stream Director
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Trell – Content writer
Atrox – Content writer
Crasp – Content writer, Match organiser
Waebi, Match organiser
Airon – Technical/Sound
Skyride – Technical
Grimm - Technical, Match organiser
Martn – Web developer for overall site design
Chippy – Visual design
inkysprite – Visual design
With the merger of 3 service, needless to say, the initial team is large. We’ll be testing waters, seeing how things naturally fall into place. If we end up with a situation where everyone are naturally able to be active, superb. At the same time, we’re open to keep the team no more large or inefficient than needed. Every single member have joined the project with the intentions of giving it all, as long as they’re an asset to the scene.
Open Mic.
TF2tv provided a home for casting gaming-allsorts, with video streams whenever possible. -Pirate radio, a casting platform allowing “talented” people to effortlessly jump on a game for the purity of what it is: A voice complementing the game you are watching. “Open Mic.” is an expansion of those ideologies. -As with VanillaTV, we expect it to be accountable as something of worth (within the same borders of reason as with all our post content), while allowing for upcoming casting talents to play and experiment.
VanillaTF2′s news and match information will remain exclusively focused on top level games, be it casted by VanillaTV or Open Mic. But fear not, implementation for information and documentation of lower level games, are in the works, and TF2tv’s service will stay open until we have that in place.
What’s next
We intend to cover the US vs Finland Nations cup game tonight! After that, the service is officially opened, and we will be adding more functionality, coverage and documentation, as we go along. In time, TF2tv’s services will be shut down, and referred to us. The new Vanilla design theme is to be expected within June. For starters, we will be using the pirate radio mumble.
You can find us on IRC @ quakenet: #vanillatv.
Needless to say we’ve only just begun, both visually and with match/discussion/media integration – and in time, we aim to be left with a whole greater than the sum of VanillaTF2, TF2tv and ETF2L radio could ever achieve on their own.
Hugs and frags,
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Byte,
Shox,
Comedian, and
Torden.


Pyor – Co caster
Shrike – Stream Director
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Crasp – Content writer, Match organiser
Waebi, Match organiser
Chippy – Visual design



138 comments
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- # - nice! +0Wow whats this?
- # - nice! +2Awesome :D <3
- # - nice! +0it sneis
- # - nice! +2may your future be bright
- # - nice! +0Flush, Minimoose and I will be having words…
- # - nice! +0Up those words with Byte. The caster lists aren’t static.
- # - nice! +0He won’t hear the end of this!!
- # - nice! +0I thought we were like substitute teachers, no clue what we were doing and pretty chilled out.
- # - nice! +0VanillaTVs will focus exclusively on interesting, high level TF2 games
DO NOT WANT
- # - nice! +1I heard they were interested in casting IDK vs. reJ though
Because boring games area always fun to watch.
- # - nice! +5Some of the more intense and fun matches i’ve ever seen were played by Division 6 teams.
High level!=fun to watch, Adam, you should know this.
- # - nice! +0Ye ofc, but this is situationally true.
- # - nice! +2Martn no offense mate but what do you want? Casts of every match is impossible, and I’m sorry but I personally would rather watch casts of Prem/Div1 /Div 2 teams playing. If you look at the open mic bit it says about allowing guest casters (or something…) so I’m sure if you want to cast some hot hot div6 perm-heavy/pyro action then you could.
- # - nice! +0Looks to me like a misunderstanding here.
VanillaTV as a whole will be open for all sorts, with “Open Mic”. VanillaTV(“one”, if you want) focuses purely on the top end.
- # - nice! +1As i read it, it looked like VanillaTV would only cast prem games.
- # - nice! +0The odd 6v9, 7v7, highlander and div 1/2/3/4/5/6 would be awesome too.
i hope that everything has been cleared up for you then :)
- # - nice! +0Np! All of those games are applicable for being covered by Open Mic. Check that section of the article, for more details.
- # - nice! +0I like turtles.
- # - nice! +0Dis gon be aweshum :)
- # - nice! +0Good luck and Have Fun.
don’t forget us lower div shitnerds like watching each other sometimes too :)
- # - nice! +4epic
- # - nice! +0Pyor? or PYYYYYOOOOUUUUR?
- # - nice! +62ez has it’s fingers in all the pies, no matter how indirectly..
- # - nice! +1Brad and Greg would go huge!
- # - nice! +1Steam Group?
- # - nice! +2Justin.TV gogo!
- # - nice! +3own3d.tv 2 strong!
- # - nice! +0Not at the moment, sorry.
- # - nice! +0You should know, having done days of research and testing etc!
- # - nice! +1To be fair, Justin.tv is used by MULTITUDES of high level starcraft players. The proof is in the pudding, imo, why would they use it if it wasn’t suitable to be used?
Just IMO, Justin.tv is better than own3d.
- # - nice! +0To be fair, nothing beats doing *actual research*. JustinTV may be a good option for many, and it may even be an option for us later on. But, at this point, it was an easy decision.
- # - nice! +1and using the “more people use it thus its better” is void if you realizing that justin.tv has been smart and has been very active in promoting itself to the e-sports scene and be very active in signing people up. the reason why we chose to use own3d.tv is because we made a well educated decision based on weighing the pros and cons.
- # - nice! +1Justin.tv are better purely as a streaming service. I.e. if your only need from the platform is a good streaming service, they are definitely by far the better choice.
However from the perspective of VoDs, easy navigation, branding, and just the fact we already have contacts at own3d.tv, they seem the better choice.
- # - nice! +1What about finding random viewers bumping into the vanillaTVs page? The chances got to be bigger over at justin compared to owned – Assuming without actually knowing anything about how u work around on those sites.
- # - nice! +3Let me cast I know long words
- # - nice! +2Cool beans, I hope there will be VOD’s too like on TF2TV?
- # - nice! +1yes
- # - nice! +0needs more cinnamontv
- # - nice! +2shox as a main caster???
lol
- # - nice! +1qq long haired circlejerker
- # - nice! +0tf2 is dead
That’s not what the article says. Is it your suggestion?
- # - nice! +1No Telebear read more please, it says Co Caster. Not quite the same.
Cheers
Byte
- # - nice! +0either way hes terrible get someone better
- # - nice! +4I, for once, agree with this.
- # - nice! +1I’d like to see you do better rather than just qq about people playing in d5
- # - nice! +6doesnt change the fact that the way shox casts is boring to listen to.
- # - nice! +1He has done WINK WINK
- # - nice! +0Crayons and crepe paper at the ready!
- # - nice! +0Although I have to agree that Shox’s casting is a bit weak, it’s certainly better than Comedians and 200000x better than Flushy.
I do think there’s room for improvement with Shox but with every cast I have heard from him, he is improving with each one.
Having said that one of the best casters I’ve heard in TF2 is definitely Arx & Beta.
I’ve never really seen myself as a caster, it’s unlikely I’ll do a whole lot with my co-caster title if all the games are able to be covered. I started casting originally to bring some lolcasts to the table with dunc (who’s no longer active) and from that point fell into it when I felt a high level game was going uncovered and there was a desire by the community to see some sort of content.
I don’t really disagree with anyone’s comments about me being terrible when it comes to main casting, it’s not something I really aspire to do nor do I think I have anything like a good enough voice to pull it off.
So if the flippant comments on here were designed as some kind of ego deflating insult they’ve fallen monumentally wide of the mark.
I’ll continue to contribute to the project where I can, and do the best of my abilities. If my output doesn’t reach the standards the arm chair experts expect, well, Byte-me.
Love and kisses
- ShoX
im not trying to deflate your ego its just that you’re bad and shouldnt be casting as you dont want any new viewers to turn off!!!
- # - nice! +0:DDDDD
You shouldn’t be allowed near a keyboard, but you don’t see me going on about it (sorry if it delates your ego) :(
sorry that you’re literally the worst tf2 caster and thats saying something
- # - nice! +6honeymustard is A LOT worse tbh…
Honeymustard is pretty good actually….
- # - nice! +2yeah, if you want to hear the most boring, depressing and monotone voice to have been conceived by man.
- # - nice! +6you havent heard me speak > :)
- # - nice! +1I don’t see you giving up your time to try and bring something to the community.
Just saying.
- # - nice! +1hes still shit though regardless of what i do
- # - nice! +2I WAS BORN THIS WAY
- # - nice! +4I was disapointed when its only going to cover high level games, its good to watch people of your skill play every now and again, but tf2tv are still going to do low level games so thats ok :)
- # - nice! +1Read the whole article, or check Martn’s comment tree above.
- # - nice! +0Check next Thursday providing there isn’t a high level game going on, we were looking at a Div 4 matchup.
- # - nice! +0own3dtv sucks fucking balls justin tv is much better
- # - nice! +1no! owned is much better! justin is a laggy piece of shit!
- # - nice! +2Wow so sick <3 everything vanilla does!
- # - nice! +2FUKIN AWESOME!!! <3
- # - nice! +0also
Y NO ADMIRABLE CASTING
- # - nice! +1our lovely walrus had to play not to cast ! ;)
- # - nice! +0We have a list of several people we haven’t yet. The list of casters (as well as the rest) is far from final.
- # - nice! +0why pause?
- # - nice! +0DID THEY PAUSE?
- # - nice! +0where has pledge gone? since he was the main caster in tf2tv I would’ve thought he’d be involved in some way.
- # - nice! +1he’s over at lvl^ tv
- # - nice! +0I got removed from TF2TV last week, and I’m _not_ at lvl^tv. Just to clear that up!
- Pledge
- # - nice! +0Why were you “removed”?
- # - nice! +0Because he had shown interest in moving to lvl^
- # - nice! +1ALSO. try and actually cast something on mids, quite a lot when i watched tf2tv, the mid would just be watched and then someone would say oh team a wins this mid. Talk about shit like demo speed, positions, aggressive sollys blah blah. I don’t know if this is still a problem, because I haven’t watched any casts in a while, but i remember noticing this.
oh this was meant to be a reply to the end of the post, not here :<
- # - nice! +1you are a god
- # - nice! +2pledge is moving into casting LoL with me and swarley watch this space
- # - nice! +1i believe hes trying to start some venture with lvlup TV
- # - nice! +0whoops ninja’d
- # - nice! +0like it,
looooove it…
GOTTA HAVE IT!
- # - nice! +1Good luck boys! Bring back TF2 to the level where it’s supposed to be (even without “prem teams”)!
- # - nice! +7i am still a live
- # - nice! +0Don’t forget the lower divisions, that can’t be said enough. We all like the Top Divisions, but they were the first to jump off the TF2 boat.. VanillaTF2 and ETF2L need to make a partnership as soon as possible to grant the Lower Division Playoffs are atleast in VOD.
- # - nice! +1Read the whole article :P As has been said before, check the ‘Open Mic’ section.
- # - nice! +0so tf2tv is now dead?
Should try and get arx/beta on board as well, really entertaining casters, who actually know what they are talking about as well.
+9000
- # - nice! +1We’re already discussing getting Arx onboard. :)
- # - nice! +2and Beta :)
Cheers
Byte
- # - nice! +6Hope that works out, those two are one of the few casters who work well together, other than pledge and greg. Plus they bring sweet music to my ears.
- # - nice! +2as long as byte is not allowed to cast
- # - nice! +3GL & especially: HAVE FUN! :)
- # - nice! +0Also, what do the match arrangers do? Contact the prem teams to keep up to date with games? or try to arrange with teams what days would be best for casting?
- # - nice! +0Bassically full time badgers to actually find out what the fuck is going on with the prem/div1 teams/games.
- # - nice! +0you need more men
- # - nice! +1send in more men!
- # - nice! +1Hardly, they have more match arrangers than players in Prem!
- # - nice! +3win
- # - nice! +1Hope everything goes well and I expect to see some awesome casts soon! Please remove my name from the staff list though but good luck with the project!
- # - nice! +0Don’t really see how quality can be at the top of the agenda with some of the names listed, but sounds like a nice project nonetheless. Well played gentlemen.
Looks good guys
- # - nice! +0Hopefully the idea of quality over quantity will be put to its full effect.
- # - nice! +01 cast a week opposed to a cast almost every night?
- # - nice! +0So what happenes to the tf2tv YouTube?
- # - nice! +0Erm, will you have a “watch again” section like tf2tv used to have?
- # - nice! +1Eventually somewhere on site yes. VODs should be up as usual @ vanillatv’s channel which is: www.own3d.tv/vanillatv
- # - nice! +0We are currently busy doing a redesign, im pretty sure that will end up somewhere into that design!
- # - nice! +0I would recommend using hud crosshair for the streamer (green crosshair ;E), also enabling bg for the scoreboard as it gives nice contrast for the names,scores and such. You can pm me in irc if you need help with the settings.
What it comes to byte + 2nd caster (sorry didnt have much time to watch and didnt catch your name). At first it felt really hectic both speaking on top of each other, but it was getting there. I had a peak near 2nd map end and it was already much better, you both waited for the other to end their sentence and I really could feel the enthusiasm you had for the match. Nice job both of you.
(You could give more status updates, time left and scores. Like on stalemate situations and similar.)
ps. I had a blast while byte was shouting “push push push, you really should push now” AS if it were tcm playing I could imagine the call would be “fall back, stay, wait, dont push!!” ;D <3 byte.
- # - nice! +5Byte + hys
- # - nice! +0Aye was a great game to pick and wp and gg to Finland and USA. First time I’ve casted with Hys and not knowing his style made it hectic at times on the first map.
We altered few things towards 2nd map and 3rd map it just got better and better. But yes m0re I’ll try and get one of the staff to contact you shortly about the scoreboard thank you for the offer :3
Many thanks to the community for their support, remember this is just the start believe me in the next month alot more features will be hopefully coming your way.
Cheers
Byte
- # - nice! +4One more exam byte!
- # - nice! +1VanillaTV @ i43 Finals centre stage?
- # - nice! +2Byte is obviously not casting, because he is going to take tcm to the finals!
- # - nice! +1That is neither an answer to the question or a fact…
- # - nice! +1you can bet your ass on it!
- # - nice! +0Does this mean Grimm is coming to i43?!
- # - nice! +0Nobody’s planned that far in advance, but I’d imagine it’s fairly likely.
- # - nice! +0I was watching some SC2 last night and some CoD4 two weekends ago on Justin TV. The quality is so good, it looks like I’m actually playing it.
- # - nice! +0You spec the losing team a lot then?
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- # - nice! +1Why does everyone have such a boner for Justin.tv?
- # - nice! +1Because it’s better? And because I don’t have to sit through a fucking cat treat advert before I get to the video.
- # - nice! +3I assure you, you need to watch a 20 second advert every time you load a Justin.tv stream. I watch Starcraft II streams literally on a daily basis and this is the case.
- # - nice! +0still better than not having any stream on owned bcs it crashes every 10min at spike hrs
- # - nice! +0AdblockPlus :)
- # - nice! +0Somehow people that play games are expected to want to buy cat treats. Weird.
- # - nice! +0Just remember that, if they wouldnt do the ads, you would have to pay for watching the streams. (Or the streamer has to pay to stream.)
- # - nice! +0Not even YouTube has such intrusive ads, and there’s more money in that than own3d but they don’t have ads repeating on the same video every time.
- # - nice! +0And that’s all because youtube is x times bigger, so the can make x times more money of a single advert.
- # - nice! +0Great move guys, les hope this venture does really well!
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