The really great thing about VanillaTF2 is that any idiot can write low quality, barely substantiated crap without fear of editorial reprisals. A fact that I intend to exploit below. After the jump I’ll share the screenshots captured by
AnAkIn’s plugin which on face value appear to have captured two Premiership soldiers with their trousers down.
matnuN
Israelite matnuN is a reasonably long standing member of premiership team Crack Clan as well as the Israel national team and was a candidate for ETF2L soldier of the season. The screenshot below has been provided in good faith as an image taken of his screen on a server that was running Anakin’s plugin.
The screenshot apparently shows matnuN with xRadar 4.0 loaded.
Tarkus
Fellow Israeli Tarkus has recently joined Quarantine and like matnuN also participates in the Israel National side.
The Plugin
At time of writing I wasn’t able to track Anakin down to ask a few questions about how the plugin works and more importantly discuss the moral position of taking data away from a players machine without their consent (which, despite the underlying good work that’s being done is extremely dodgy) but it was alluded to that the data was being gathered in a way that perhaps Valve didn’t intend.
[19:56] <@AnAkIn> valve will probably block it tomorrow, unfortunately
Despite the good work that is being done this undisclosed mechanism that’s in place to collect data probably wouldn’t (or won’t) sit well with Valve and a good number of people who have used servers with the plugin loaded. It’s not beyond the realm of comprehension that in one of Anakin’s screenshots lies some in game chat of yours that you wouldn’t want broadcast to a third party, who knows. Maybe I’m the only one who cares about that kind of stuff.
Moving forward
ETF2L have a long and chequered history of cheat detection with good and bad decisions made in seemingly equal measure. Should they take this seriously?
Historically they’ve paid no credence to the work of Anakin, possibly due to the bad blood that existed between ESL and ETF2L back in the day. But I’m sure they’ll have banned for less than this. If they do they’re setting a precedent and acknowledging the accuracy and authenticity of a third party application. If they don’t there’s a good chance it won’t sit well with a number of players who’ve suffered at the hands of these players and increasing doubt and paranoia will eventually cause a situation.
So what do you think? Do you trust the work done by Anakin? If you ran ETF2L where would you go from here?

ShoX —




90 comments
TweetI consider Anakin to be pretty much the only person I trust when it comes to AC in TF2.
+1
Agreeing with Koeitje, wow.
When I come to power agreeing with Koeitje will be a 3month ban.
Agreeing with Koeitje as well.
- # - nice! +2Ban them :D
- # - nice! +7Ban the jews please
well they admitted to using it, so yes etf2l should use it
dirty cheaters
huehuehuehuheuhe
- # - nice! +5There probably isn’t proof to ban them based on screenshots, not proof of use but more proof of where it was used. There’s little to no evidence those were taken during officials.
Then again, didn’t some guy called “Blorg” or whatever get banned from evidence taken from a pick-up game? Can’t remember too much of the details. :S
If I were in ETF2L, I’d probably look at the actual plugin and ask myself how accurate this really is. Perhaps this is naive to think, but there’s little to no evidence on how this plugin works and as ShoX eluded to the fact Valve probably know how this plugin works and don’t like it – why else would they try and block it from working? :D ETF2L could always go the extremely lame way of getting out of this by saying that bans are only given out based on demo evidence (via the AC team) or via VAC bans.
I hope they don’t though as it’ll be interesting to see how ETF2L do actually approach this problem.
Either way, it’s quite damning evidence on the use of cheats front. Personally Tarkus I’m not surprised about but I honestly thought MatnuN wouldn’t stoop so slow/desperate. :(
tl;dr They both should be banned and they should surrender their Jew gold and be used for the S13 Prize Pool. :)
- # - nice! +5Public use of cheats still warrants a ban though.
Perhaps.
ETF2L aren’t exactly clear on the issue about where you use the ban and whether use of cheats outside of officials is allowed.
“6.2 Cheats are not allowed
Any kind of cheats are not permitted. Players using cheats will be banned for 1 year.”
Personally, the rule is quite vague on that front so both interpretations could be correct. ;)
- # - nice! +2In the past ETF2L has already banned people for cheating on pub servers.
Valve doesn’t want to block my specific plugin, but they know that I am using an exploit to do that, so that’s why I said they’re surely going to fix it (the exploit).
Guess I can just hack my balls of in pickups and pcws to ruin everybody’s day.
- # - nice! +7That’ll teach div2
I’m not justifying cheating outside of officials, far from it. You make a good point but you’ve misinterpretated mine. :(
I meant ETF2L needs to be much clearer on this rule. If you’re registered on ETF2L and have been caught cheating ANYWHERE in a public game (as in, servers that aren’t single player “localhosts”) then you’re banned.
I’m probably being very picky about it, but it’s still a point I’d like ETF2L to try and rectify.
- # - nice! +3When I read that rule, I interpret it as hacking anywhere and it being proven. Does it really need more clarification? It’s common sense.
- # - nice! +5I did qualify I was probably being picky about it. :p
I should probably drop the argument altogether before I make a bigger fool of myself. :(
- # - nice! +3The rule will get a makeover “soon”
- # - nice! +5Leftism: Uh, lets not forget tf2 is actually protected by an ac client – vac. Yes, its a piece of crap so it doesnt detect a lot of cheats but if it worked properly, one single attempt at x22 on a vac secured server or any other bs cheat would result in a perma ban – which warrants an etf2l ban too.
- # - nice! +1The more specific the rules, the easier it is to find a loophole >:D
- # - nice! +2popcorn \o/
screens (aequitas like) > demo analysing ac team
- # - nice! +7Wtf? How is that even a question? They cheated = ban. Sometimes not everything is black and white, well, this fucking is, and darker than fucking dirt.
ban
Why the fuck would you not ban? They got caught using hacks. It’s against ETF2L rules.
While you’re at it, ban boomeh aswell. Oh wait, he changed steam account cause the old one was VAC banned, nevermind, must be legit.
He’s a nice guy, Tarkus is not.
- # - nice! +7Fawni was a nice guy :<
- # - nice! +2doesn’t matter if the guy is nice or not, he cheated so therefore he should be banned
- # - nice! +1and if we start banning/not banning people based on their niceness, I think we should just forget about the whole ac thing because it makes no fucking sense whatsoever
- # - nice! +1Just a little fyi if you want to add it to the article, Tarkus actually admitted to it several times after being caught, with the disclaimer that he ‘only tried it once’ in a ‘dm server’.
Regardless of whether the screenshot alone is proof, Tarkus own admission should be proof enough to warrant a ban from ETF2L.
I think he alluded to Matnun using it too in one of his comments/rants, but I’m not 100% sure.
- # - nice! +4Although the plugin is easily avoided, does its thing without your permission, is illegal in at least 2 european countries, and will almost certainly be broken by valve on Monday, it doesn’t show false positives.
If you have a screenshot of someone cheating in a 6v6/MGE/competitive TF2 environment, they’re a cheater. Simple as.
I remember the time when matnun accused me of cheating…
I would have loved this back in 2010.. some hard evidence, and not some morons reviewing spec and stv demos..
ANAKIN AC FTW
in lieu of a credible anti-cheat solution, etf2l should level the playing field and allow 2d radars and other “casual” hacks as part of the emergency amended S13 ruleset
- # - nice! +7ban.
- # - nice! +2Ban tarkus, leave matnun alone, just because
- # - nice! +7I have seen people get banned 1 year without any right to defend for themselves for far less…. Talking about some account sharing bans that occured not too long ago.
Despite the legality or morality of the plugin which I consider a bit negative, the screenshots are hard evidence and they should be banned for it.
If you want to try cheats go to combat arms or some shitty cod rehash with some public cheats and make some 12 y old rage.
- # - nice! +3They should be banned, yes.
However the Legacy of MatnuN should not be erased. He should have to pay for his stupid mistake with the 1-year ban penalty “by the books”. Regardless of the fact that he claims to have only used it once to “try it out”, there is no evidence that he ever cheated in an official.
Also, the fact that on the Process ONC, which CC played on their server with the plugin – he didn’t cheat (at the time nobody even knew the plugin was taking screens) should be able to support the credibility that he did not cheat on officials.
Players in the past have been banned in ETF2L for cheating on public servers, just because there is currently no evidence for officials doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be banned
- # - nice! +6Maybe you could actually read what I wrote?:
Ban – Yes.
Delete achievements / Legacy – no.
The first line of the post says “they should be banned, yes”.
- # - nice! +5Its like you read what you wanted to read -_-
felt like you spent the “legacy” part of your post trying to say why he shouldn’t be banned to me
- # - nice! +3But I probably did, I apologise
- # - nice! +7I for one would’ve never guessed that such a well-mannered individual like Tarkus would ever use cheats.
I’m so confused right now, I don’t know what to believe.
Hey Qn, need a Scout? :)
Why? Do you know someone good?
hahah I saw the number of “nice!” on shox’s comment and actually felt bad for qun :(
- # - nice! +6and then pressed nice! yourself
:D
Qun wouldn’t need a tag, he could just be Q(u)n. :O
- # - nice! +4I don’t care about bans, get the games from i46 onto youtube!
The Tarkus one isn’t from an official and the matnuN one might not be. If I ran ETF2L I would be very clear that the only admissible evidence from outside their own auspices would be VAC bans. But clearly either they’re cheats or someone is persecuting the poor Jews.
- # - nice! +1they both confessed?
If I wanted to set someone up, I’d fabricate a screenshot and secrete it among thousands that I’d give to a diligent teammate of whoever I’m setting up. The two jobs for eft2l here, which are quite independent, are retrieving the files from the server and clarifying how widely you want your anti-cheating rules to apply.
- # - nice! +1They cheated, it’s true and we have evidence, ban.
- # - nice! +4I think as long as the plugin is strictly used on ETF2L-matches, everybody can be aware
- # - nice! +2of being overlooked and behave himself likely. Where’s the problem, as long as youre being informed about the plugin use?
Ban those JEWS
- # - nice! +2filthy jews
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jews are the best, I love jews.
- # - nice! +5there are screenshots, how can I ‘defend’ them?
- # - nice! +6matnun is still the fucking best. :)
some might argue it’s easy to be the best when you cheat.. :D
If you’d look at the screenshots of matnun, except those 4 ( I think it was 4? ) from that time he tried it, all rest of them are without it.
Like Trath said, he did not cheat throughout his entire time @ tf2, only this one time and it is indeed one time too many.
Just to clarify, I do not support matnun or tarkus, nor am I trying to defend them.
My point is: matnuN is the fucking best and he got there without cheating.
Agreed :(
- # - nice! +2How do you know?
- # - nice! +2A men brother.
- # - nice! +1problem is, matnuN has tarnished his entire career reputation by cheating “this once”
it’s pretty fucking easy to say, “oh, I only did it this once..” but in my view a cheater is a liar and as such I’d generally jump to the conclusion that he’s done it significantly more often
couple that with knowing that he’d never attend a LAN and it’s all a little too coincidental for my liking
Why aren’t comments stacking??
- # - nice! +2cheating once doesn’t make you a bad person, i’m a “clean” player since i got banned, and i’m pretty sure, i’ve attend more lans than everyone here.
I’m not saying he souldn’t be banned, if he’s a cheater he deserves it.
- # - nice! +7nothing to do with intarweb games makes you a bad person.. but cheating is certainly synonymous with lying. you might be clean, but I still don’t trust you.. :)
- # - nice! +4I trust Payard, no way he can be cheating with that aim and gamesense.
<3 <3
- # - nice! +0:o)
koeitje talking about gamesense <3
- # - nice! +5Don’t worry, I talked to Tarkus and he promised to help me out. He has some nice tips and tricks, at least that is what he said.
- # - nice! +0Tip 1: cut a hole in a box
- # - nice! +4Yeah he still is a talented and awesome player.. I really am going to miss his crazy bombs and shots. That’s why it so frustrating to hear him cheating. It’s so fucking retarded.
- # - nice! +1juicy
- # - nice! +2i.imgur.com/ZJzEf.gif
- # - nice! +0מתן הוא מכונת השמדה משומנת שפועלת בתנועת מלקחיים לכיוון הקורבנות שלו.
- # - nice! +3Let matnun go.
ban the other shitter, i didnt liked him anyway
how do you know retschock?
- # - nice! +0I’d be hesitant to ban matnun if the screenshot came out after everybody knew about this new screenshot feature because of how easy it would be to “fabricate” it.
- # - nice! +1It didn’t come out after, it was here since some time already
- # - nice! +1I know that’s why I said ” if the screenshot came out after everybody knew about this new screenshot feature “.
- # - nice! +1obvious answer
- # - nice! +0you cheat you get banned
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- # - nice! +1gg cunt noob gape holes
Screenshots=proof, ban them, end of.
- # - nice! +0They’re cheaters and they should be banned , no matter who they are .
What the fuck do you want to debate about ? :)
- # - nice! +0etf2l.org/2012/09/10/season-13...
Tarkus and matnuN banned from ETF2L for 1 year.
- # - nice! +0might aswell fakenick and roll my way to high divs with x22
AnAkin you ruined my plan 2012
- # - nice! +1before they get banned the one question remains…
Are they nice guys?!?!?
- # - nice! +2I don’t agree with the lack of implemented ‘i agree to this being used blah blah’, but if someone like Anakin has had the balls to do this and face whatever consequences arise for the method utilized (arguably none)… then yes these dirty cheaters deserve to be banned on that alone.
I’d strip away any medals/awards their teams have ever got, most of them have never been to LAN anyway… but maybe I’m just a cunt.
- # - nice! +1aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand the plugin is gone :)
- # - nice! +0To all of the “anakin can frame you” people, the screenshots are saved on your pc aswell, in tf/resource, as well as the server. While adding text and radars and shit is doable, its harder to remove them. You could also check the edit dates aswell.
- # - nice! +0